Krishnamurti with Chogyam Trungpa
Here's the first youtube video in a series of five of Krishnamurti talking to Chogyam Trungpa on the practice and purpose of meditation and related topics. Thanks to Bruce Alderman for heads up. This part 9:40 minutes. Enjoy!
Links to parts: Two (9:12), Three (6:06), Four (7:03), and Five (5:51).
Links to parts: Two (9:12), Three (6:06), Four (7:03), and Five (5:51).
Labels: meditation, reality
3 Comments:
Personal experience has no validity at all? as far as truth is concerned?. Then, what is a validity?.
What a crap, this man is a dementic one with thought disorders and delusional about the world.
Dear Saint, condemning someone as "dementic" - plus disorders and delusion - does nothing to answer the questions you yourself have made. Have you any notion of Jiddu Krishnamurti's teachings?
Excerpt: "If it is a personal experience of a person, then it has very little validity, because that experience may be merely a projection of one's own intentions, fears and hopes and all the rest of it. (...) Personal expereince really has no value at all, where Truth is concerned."
In short, it's Truth not truth, therefore - no validity. Also, his understanding of meditation is quite specific.
Moreover, personal experience in isolation has indeed no validity, since it has no meaning at all. To understand personal experience, for it to have any meaning at all, we need an intersubjective context and then also resort to impersonal principles and processes that always operate irrespective of a person's choice or even unconsiouc predilection. So, in the relative, interdependent sense, personal experience has no meaning in isolation. (But of course it has meaning in dependent relation.) And in an fundamental sense, to which JK is refering, personal experience IS an instance of no validity. "Personal" here does not refer to that developmental level which is after prepersonal and before transpersonal, but to the solipsistic, self-referential mode of unknowing.
Though I don't personally (no pun intended) subscribe to JK's view, his claim should be taken in proper context. The obsession with experience, especially one's own personal experience, is rampant in spiritual circles, and was long ago convicted by Chogyam Trungpa, the guy sitting across in the video, as "spiritual materialism".
Of course, you are welcome to see all that as "crap", though that certainly begs the question. And you have had three great questions, just don't stop short of finding satisfying answers.
This is just amazing, and a great blog to!
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